RAND() Query

thelostscott · Aug 13, 2010

Hi all,

I have a list of 90 names and I need to choose 30 random people out of this list. I want this to be as fair as possible and at the moment I am running a RAND() formula in the next cell with this formula next to it:
=IF($E2>=RANDBETWEEN(0,1),TRUE,"")

Problem is that it returns a certain number of TRUE cells between 33-51 and not the 30 I am needing. Is there any other way of doing this?

I was thinking of running a macro to generate these random numbers until it hits 30 and then stop but can't figure out a code to do so?

Any thoughts/help would be appreciated.

Many thanks!

Weaver · Aug 13, 2010

If it was me, I'd use =int(rand()+0.5) in each row, put a sum formula in to count the results and keep hitting f9 until this equals 30

HTH

Richard Schollar · Aug 13, 2010

Hi

You could do it like this (note that you would probably want Manual Calculation enabled so that you only refresh the names when you do a Shift-F9 or F9 rather than every time the sheet recalculated automatically):

Excel Workbook

A

B

C

D

E

F

G

1

Name

Random Value

Rank

2

Richard

0.757767

3

Rank

Name

3

Bob

0.277572

5

1

Andy

4

Rory

0.771709

2

Rory

5

Jon

0.037281

7

3

Richard

6

Peter

0.199854

6

7

Andy

0.883248

1

8

Jack

0.317259

4

9

Andrew

0.031942

8

Sheet1

Excel 2010

Cell Formulas
Range	Formula
B2	=RAND()
C2	=RANK(B2,$B$2:$B$9)
G3	=INDEX($A$2:$A$9,MATCH(F3,$C$2:$C$9,0))

thelostscott · Aug 13, 2010

You end up with the same problem though of 30 being on the extreme outside of the range. That forumla still generates bewteen 33-51 as the most common number of outcomes. That is why I was thinking a Macro might be able to solve the problem as it could keep running until 30 has been reached?
Plus, you also exclude human error of going past 30 if/when you reach it because you finger is so used to bashing away at that F9 button!

thelostscott · Aug 13, 2010

Thanks for that, it does makes more sense giving the names a ranking. I knew someone out there would have a different perspective on things!

Thanks again for the help

bobsan42 · Aug 13, 2010

try this:

Code:

Function RandomizeWithLimitsUniqueInt(UpperLimit As Long, LowerLimit As Long, Optional CompareWithRange As Range) As Variant
    Dim RndGenNum As Variant
    RndGenNum = Int((UpperLimit - LowerLimit) * Rnd + LowerLimit)
    Do While Application.WorksheetFunction.CountIf(CompareWithRange, RndGenNum) > 0
        RndGenNum = Int((UpperLimit - LowerLimit) * Rnd + LowerLimit)
    Loop
    RandomizeWithLimitsUniqueInt = RndGenNum
End Function

then put in J2 this formula:
=RandomizeWithLimitsUniqueInt(1,90,$J$1:J1)
and fill 30 cells down

pgc01 · Aug 13, 2010

Hi

Another formula solution

In B2:

=INDEX($A$2:$A$15,SMALL(IF(ISNA(MATCH($A$2:$A$15,$B$1:B1,0)),ROW($A$2:$A$15)-ROW($A$2)+1),RANDBETWEEN(1,ROWS($A$2:$A$15)-ROWS($B$2:B2)+1)))

This is an array formula, you have to confirm it with CTRL+SHIFT+ENTER.

Copy down

<table border="1" cellpadding="1" style="background:#FFF; border-collapse:collapse;border-width:2px;border-color:#CCCCCC;font-family:Arial,Arial; font-size:10pt" ><tr><th style="border-width:1px;border-color:#888888;background:#9CF " > </th><th style="border-width:1px;border-color:#888888;background:#9CF; text-align:center" >A</th><th style="border-width:1px;border-color:#888888;background:#9CF; text-align:center" >B</th><th style="border-width:1px;border-color:#888888;background:#9CF; text-align:center" width=30 >C</th></tr><tr><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;background:#9CF; text-align:center; " >1</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Name</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Rand List</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td></tr><tr><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;background:#9CF; text-align:center; " >2</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Richard</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Bob</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td></tr><tr><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;background:#9CF; text-align:center; " >3</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Bob</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Jack</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td></tr><tr><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;background:#9CF; text-align:center; " >4</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Rory</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Jon</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td></tr><tr><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;background:#9CF; text-align:center; " >5</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Jon</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Pru</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td></tr><tr><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;background:#9CF; text-align:center; " >6</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Peter</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Andy</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td></tr><tr><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;background:#9CF; text-align:center; " >7</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Andy</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td></tr><tr><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;background:#9CF; text-align:center; " >8</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Jack</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td></tr><tr><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;background:#9CF; text-align:center; " >9</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Andrew</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td></tr><tr><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;background:#9CF; text-align:center; " >10</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Mary</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td></tr><tr><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;background:#9CF; text-align:center; " >11</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Piper</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td></tr><tr><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;background:#9CF; text-align:center; " >12</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Pru</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td></tr><tr><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;background:#9CF; text-align:center; " >13</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Phoebe</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td></tr><tr><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;background:#9CF; text-align:center; " >14</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Lois</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td></tr><tr><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;background:#9CF; text-align:center; " >15</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:left;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; ">Lana</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td></tr><tr><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;background:#9CF; text-align:center; " >16</td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td><td style="border-width:1px;border-color:#000000; padding-left:0.5em; padding-top:0.4em; padding-right:0.5em; padding-bottom:0.25em;text-align:right;border-width: 1px;border-color:#888888; "> </td></tr><tr><td colspan=4 style="background:#9CF; padding-left:1em" > [Book1]Sheet1</td></tr></table>

bobsan42 · Aug 13, 2010

sorry an update - a better version:

Code:

Function RandomizeWithLimitsUniqueInt(UpperLimit As Long, LowerLimit As Long, Optional CompareWithRange As Range) As Variant
    If Abs(UpperLimit - LowerLimit) + 2 > CompareWithRange.Cells.Count Then
        Dim RndGenNum As Variant
        RndGenNum = Round((UpperLimit - LowerLimit) * Rnd + LowerLimit, 0)
        Do While Application.WorksheetFunction.CountIf(CompareWithRange, RndGenNum) > 0
            RndGenNum = Round((UpperLimit - LowerLimit) * Rnd + LowerLimit, 0)
        Loop
        RandomizeWithLimitsUniqueInt = RndGenNum
    Else
        RandomizeWithLimitsUniqueInt = "NoMoreUniqueValuesAvailabe!"
    End If
End Function

the first one did exclude the Upper limit from the list

bobsan42 · Aug 13, 2010

well - i was tempted to really do it so - here is the result - final improved version (hopefully bug-free) :

Code:

Public Function RandUI42(LowerLimit As Long, UpperLimit As Long, Optional CompareRange As Range) As Variant
Dim ll As Long, ul As Long
ll = Application.WorksheetFunction.Min(LowerLimit, UpperLimit)
ul = Application.WorksheetFunction.Max(LowerLimit, UpperLimit)
If CompareRange Is Nothing Then
    RandUI42 = Round(ll + (ul - ll) * Rnd(), 0)
    Exit Function
End If
For i = ll To ul Step 1
    If Application.WorksheetFunction.CountIf(CompareRange, i) = 0 Then
        RandUI42 = Round(ll + (ul - ll) * Rnd(), 0)
        Do While Application.WorksheetFunction.CountIf(CompareRange, RandUI42) > 0
            RandUI42 = Round(ll + (ul - ll) * Rnd(), 0)
        Loop
        Exit Function
    Else
        RandUI42 = "#NOMORE"
    End If
Next i
End Function

tusharm · Aug 13, 2010

For a variety of ways of doing what you want see
Select elements at random without repetition
http://www.tushar-mehta.com/excel/newsgroups/rand_selection/

thelostscott said:
Hi all,

I have a list of 90 names and I need to choose 30 random people out of this list. I want this to be as fair as possible and at the moment I am running a RAND() formula in the next cell with this formula next to it:
=IF($E2>=RANDBETWEEN(0,1),TRUE,"")

Problem is that it returns a certain number of TRUE cells between 33-51 and not the 30 I am needing. Is there any other way of doing this?

I was thinking of running a macro to generate these random numbers until it hits 30 and then stop but can't figure out a code to do so?

Any thoughts/help would be appreciated.

Many thanks!

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